Well i doubt anyone on the world wouldnt know what triple k stands for… so I must asume the mc, and by extensión the author are racist pieces of s**t.
Is either that or the author has lost a bet, and is now trying to loose as many Readers as he can, ‘cause in between the boring, aimless and insubstancial plot fron the last 5-7 chapters, and this k kk crap i’m out…
Btw what really really fits the triple k mentality, is a bullet lodged in the brain, then double tap, it will fix that mentality properly.
Just wanna Say, for everyone Other than Chris, Sorry for the long text chain in the comments, Know its not really related to the novel, and I do apologize for that, Chris decided that he thought I was an Evil Emotion Tyrant for Defending my community not being insulted! Hope everyone has a great day, and Thank you as always Hen for translating,
I hate that Bjorn is still lying to his closest friends & allies.
Last chapter when he wasn't able to explain how a airplane works and he just told Raven that this kind of information was being Gate keeped. Or this chapter when he pretended to be royal and have high Values because he was shy or whatever.
yeah, i will agree there, Bjorn lies too easily, he’s way too comfortable with lying about meaningless things, which i know is partially his own laziness in not wanting to correct misunderstandings, but i also think its partially his almost instinct like Need to obscure the truth, even from his allies, in order to try and create the optimal conditions for himself as being the only one who knows it all. Tbh, as others have said, hes in deep with a Player mindset, a Gamer mindset, and doesnt even realize how deep he is. He’s very much in the headspace of information gathering and then keeping said information obscured in order to use it as a trap or tool to get what he wants. and this is such an instinctual thing for him at this point, that he does it to everyone, including those he trusts. Its a barrier he Must overcome tbh, one he will have to deal with if he ever wants to truly become part of this world, and tbh, these actions of his feel deeply connected to the lines Versil shared in the last round table to Lion Mask, saying he needs to take his mask off and make true friends, and like i said then, as much as Versil didnt know that that was Bjorn, Bjorn Needed to be told that more than anything,
He’s very calculated when it comes to the game concepts and extremely decisive when it comes to battles or decisions on the whole, except when it comes to topics where he is embarrassed or uncomfortable. It’s almost like he is afraid of being vulnerable and opts to explain it away by leaning on false standards and facades. What's interesting is that while he is talking himself in circles here, he is also realizing in real time how much of a facade it is… how Joseon royalty had polygamy and how narrow his current mindset is… even though he is still unable to let go of it. I think this is a pivotal point in Bjorn's growth, where he has to internally face some of his subconscious bias and reality even while communicating a falsity
Jesus Christ, this trope of an mc that is bad with women is tiresome. Like logically, I understand that the reason authors do this is because the liklihood of readers being even worse with women is higher than not. At least mc’s are attractive or capable and can attract women, so the only way to make them relatable to readers is by making them bad with women. I understand this but for the love of God is this annoying. Can a single main character just be normal with women? Like seriously a single freaking one? I don't demand a rizzler or anything, but how about at least a man capable of admitting he's attracted to women or that women can be attracted to him? This trope makes me hate losers even more.
Well, he just admitted he’s attracted to women, and he did confess to Misha before (albeit after she previously confessed to him) and we know he was previously in a relationship with Hyeonbyeol, so it’s not like he’s not capable.He just is a very game-focused with intelligence highly focused within that world, and not as much focus or will to engage (often avoidance) with women, most likely due to all his past trauma. If you bring Freud into this, look at his relationship with his ma… 😉
Again the only reason he did anything with Misha is because Dwalki directly called him out on his bs. We don't know the circumstances with his ex so all we can infer about him is with the data available. So far that suggests he'll do as much as he can to avoid confronting his romantic feelings.
Actually, to be accurate, after Dwalkie, he confronted Misha and decided to do nothing about it (just remain comrades). It was only much later, after the identity switch with Kharon, did Bjorn decide on his own that he wanted to be more than comrades with Misha. He didn’t want her to think he was off with other women and felt compelled to confess to her (ch260). I know, not the same as just initiating it without a trigger, but it still wasnt due to anyone’s prodding.Just mentioning it so we don’t downplay the times when Bjorn overcomes his complex. He does this outside of romance too, on numerous occasions when we decides, outside of his self-preservationist nature, to preotect and save others. It’s part of his character and character growth. However, when Misha hurt him, he had a regression and shied away from romantic appeals in this world. Remember, Lee Hansoo wasnt originally this great person – he was more of a shut-in (though he had a job, a boring one) who focused most of his adult life escaping it for a video game. He’s not your alpha male/sigma type homie, he’s a guy with a troubled past and some unresolved trauma whose extensive knowledge, experience, and expertise in the game has allowed him to thrive in the world of Raphdonia, but when he has to deal with non-game related stuff, he still has lots of room to grow. That’s part of his journey – by shining through the trauma and connecting with real people, his true greatness will show.I get the aversion to common harem type tropes – I feel you on that, but I think in this case, Bjorn's trajectory is in line with the character through and through, as annoying/suspenseful (however you characterize it) as it may be
Honestly Bjorn going full harem would be less gay than this wishy-washy stuff; and I say that as someone who hates harem animes/manga. The story is good enough to put up with it but by god is it getting annoying.
i mean. this is very much Not gay at all, he is actively into women, just cause he has emotional complexity, doesnt mean thats kind of thing is gay. feeling complicated about emotions is very normal and human, personally i quite enjoy all this, its character development and growth as an individual for all characters involved
If you think men acting like they aren't interested in attractive women or the possibility of women being attracted to them is “normal” then you're surrounded by bitchass men. It's not normal, it's lame and gay af.
hes not “uninterested” and if thats your take on this, you need better reading comprehension, cause he has actively shown interest in women and literally slept with Misha, he is selective thats all. thats not gay to do, I think you seriously need to examine yourself and why you think having emotional complexity and not wanting to fuck everything that moves is somehow gay.
It's ironic that you mentioned reading comprehension when you didn't even see that I said “acting like they're not interested,” because he's clearly interested and only admits it when directly confronted. Stop being so emotional, calm your ass down and read. My point and that of op is that this trope is exhausting and NOT normal. He's just a pussy.
Its almost like Bjorn has always been shown as Stoic, and what trait is insanely common in stoic people? Not talking about their emotions! Or Showing them! He has always held his emotions close, and is an extremely logical person, even as that logic is emotional sometimes still. Bjorn is constantly in survival mode, he doesnt need to be, but he is. and in survival mode, while not impossible, love and attraction can easily take a backseat. He is choosing to let it take a backseat. Its extremely human. its not the way every person works, but its absolutely a way that people do work, and ive met tons of people who express themselves in very similar manners. Ive also met people who do the opposite. To claim its not “normal” is purely arbitrary, and based only on your own limited worldview, and is just subjective. There is no normal, there are ideas that you may hold about men, but that doesnt mean they must hold true for all men. People are varied, and if you dont like the manner in which Bjorn is written, thats fine. youre allowed to not like a character. But tbh, all i ever see you do, is complain about him and his characterization. If youre just going to complain, whats the point? If you dont like him as an MC and how he acts, i honestly cant understand the point.
I’d argue he was in survival mode even before he left his world, and the reason he was so into this game was because it actually resonated with him – as difficult and painstaking the game was, it was easier to deal with than real life…
Your views on normalcy actually make sense with what you've said before but you, again, ironically make a point that contradicts your own. If nothing is normal then “normal” then you're definition is arbitrary by definition. Normal is a word to describe what is generally the standard or usual. That's literally not arbitrary. Bjorn’s not being stoic when it comes to women. It seems to be connected to whatever happened in his past. He's not in control of his emotions with women, he's afraid and succumbing to it. If he was being stoic then he would understand that his party members are rostock interest in him and confront these feelings. He even admits to knowing their feelings at times, but he just avoids it presumably out of fear. There’s nothing wrong with critiquing good writers. It makes more sense than critiquing bad ones as they can't really fix anything. If enough period agree with critiques then eventually you can see changes stay happening. Personally, I think the trope of the “bad with women” mc needs to go as that is only relatable to the lowest common denominator of men, and those guys are made fun of by everybody.
youre falling into a logical fallacy by saying that the claim “There is no normal, its all arbitrary” is a contradiction. To be normal does imply a majority, but if you look at ALL of humanity, there are no normals, or true constants, “Normal” differs place to place, culture to culture, even in a single small town, what is considered normal varied family to family, What is Normal for one family, could be outrageous and mind boggling to another. and as for my “definition?” What definition, I didnt provide one for what i thought a person should act like, So your claim, that my definition is arbitrary is absurd. As i also said that things are subjective. I said that people vary, and that ideas that some people hold about Men and people’s behavior Will Not hold true for everyone. which Is true. We are literally an example of that exact thing. We do not agree on what is normal behavior for a person. You claim normal behavior is one thing, I claim there is no normal behavior, only human behavior. No matter what that is, all of it is human. The human experience is endless, and there is no right or wrong way to live as a human. There are morally wrong things in our society yes of course, But there is no wrong way to be a Human. As for the emotional side of this. He is Stoic, Yes, he loses some of that Stoicness when it comes to romance and attraction, But he lives a stoic lifestyle, and just cause he is flustered at times, doesnt mean that his behavior is magically going to stop being Stoic, He is Trying to maintain that Stoic Facade he employs in all other aspects of life, but he is denying his own emotions, and even admitting that to himself (which is growth) as he does so! He is actively trying to understand and improve on this as this is happening, and youre right, it probably is something to do with his past, some form of trauma, but if think so, why do you complain that he is going through character development to deal with that? growth isnt instant, and there is a messy period to deal with. He hasn’t healed fully. Tbh, i think this is amazing writing. He is dealing with situations that have clearly been shown to be something he struggles with, and he is slowly admitting these things to himself and trying to overcome and move past them, This is literally the growth you claim he needs. He is doing it. Right now. And as for your final part, there isnt anything wrong with criticizing authors, its great in fact, When its Constructive. But youre not being constructive, unless specifically asked like here, the way i have, your comments are merely just surface deep complaints that Bjorn is acting “like a pussy” as you so ‘eloquently’ put it. Thats not constructive, thats destructive. Youre entitled to the opinion that the trope isnt great, But this is a problem much more common than you think. You may not think so, but most people struggle to deal with, process and properly move past their emotions and deal with them. Its a needed step in the process of growing as a person, and thats what i see in the author’s writing
I don't think you know what arbitrary means. You already accepted that “normal” is a generalization. That already means it's not arbitrary. Arbitrary means without system, or random. So when you say there is no “normal” you're literally making an arbitrary definition by making it rely on the whims of every single person. I've told you this before and it applies again but you don't understand “is vs ought.” This is descriptive vs prescriptive. “Normal” is descriptive not prescriptive. You keep trying to give normal some sort of moral weight, but that's not what it means. Slavery was normal before which means it was just descriptively true that it was practiced in a majority of the world. It doesn't mean it was morally right. This seems to be why you often contradict yourself and get so emotional. You can't possibly expect to get to a sound and consistent conclusion of you start from a faulty foundation. With that being said the reason this trope is exhausting is because it isn't normal for highly capable men to be so weak when it comes to women. He's confrontational everywhere with the sole exception being women. The reason it's a trope is because it's relatable to the unexceptional men that read it, which is tiresome. It's a trope specifically overused in Japanese / Korean webnovels and it needs to be called out and mocked so it stops.
Emotional people are emotional. You just happen to be a women. You're just trying to to use that as an excuse not to engage with the argument because you know you can't. You're clearly not used to speaking with people that don't fall for your emotional provocations and you're not used to being called out for your logical inconsistencies. You're not stupid, and you clearly understand this.
So after skimming through all of these conversations let me just say this once since I usually dont comment a lot, thank you for standing against these bad arguments and deconstructing them.I believe most of what younare saying yet could not be bothered to write it down so having you do it is awesome. Thanks
I’d argue it’s good writing tbh – bjorns tendencies are consistent with his character, but by being challenged over and over, you see a bit of growth, some regression and some advancement of character, which is realistic. I’ve had this theory that this journey will be like therapy to Bjorn: this game that was his escape takes him to a world where he has to face all the things he was initially trying to escape. Whether he eventually stays in Raphdonia or ends up back in his own world (or elsewhere), he definitely won’t be the same untrusting, avoidant, and emotionally guarded person as he started off as.
It's the regression part specifically that's tiresome. At some point there's a limit right? Like when are you actually going to learn or grow up? Then if he does, will that just be a fake out again and he regresses? I can't accept this as being good writing when I can't trust any perceived character growth. The are very few problems I've had with this novel, the time skip was the first. The pacing of the expedition where his enemies teamed up against him was the second and bjorn's constant fear of women is the third. That says a lot about how good the quality of this novel is so far.
why did you copy my name Chris, and yes I know this is you making this childish comment, youre the only one here whose ever like this. and yes, Im a lesbian, So whats your point.
I was hella confused at first, but figured it was a diff person by the avatar.Also with you on the character development path, Bjorn is going to keep having to deal with these scenarios and he can only run away for so long before finally having to deal with them
yeah, i honestly dont know what this child of a person is doing. Theyre very aggressive and now are seemingly resorting to impersonating me? Idk what the deal is. I guess if you see any comments with my name and weird wording or saying stuff thats out of character for me, assume its them? didnt know that was a concern id have to have in this comment section, but oh well. And yeah! Bjorn is being forced to confront this stuff, and at some point, WILL have to make some form of choice, and being a noble, like Amelia was talking about, and i already had that theory a while back that he may at some point be asked by the non human nobles to have an Heir, since before going to the basement, i thought he was getting important enough that they likely will want his house around no matter what, so them wanting him to have an heir could make sense, being an explorer and all. So if anything along those lines happen, he may also be forced to confront and deal with this kind of thing more. It is a duty of the Nobility to ensure the survival of their house
No worries, I can tell. Funny enough, it reminds me a bit of “pnec”.And man… dealing with suitors is heavy enough for Bjorn, but having to consider a child as well? I mean I know what he told Misha, so from a principle standpoint, he’s on track, but I don’t think hes ready for the reality of that. My money is that he’s gonna embody the K Barbarian MC Hammer “can’t touch this” persona if that proposal comes. He’s growing as a person, but not that much just yet, lolAnd we know the lineup to have his heir, so… no pressure Bjorn 😅
oh yeah, hes not ready for that conversation, if it happened now, he would Freeze up so badly. But i do think it could happen some point down the line, as more development in this area happens
I agree, it does line up with expectations of estsblishing a noble house.Really curious how all the potentials will react when that proposal comes… i’m just picturing this world’s version of dating drama:Love is Petrified / The Ultimatum: Dungeon Edition / Perfect Snatch / Barbarian Matchmaking / Love Island: Raphdonia / 15 day Fiancé🤣 alright i’ll stop
For the love of God, control your emotions. Literally all of my arguments come from logic and reasoning. That's not me, I thought you were talking about the op comment. If you just calm down and think for one second, how could anyone possibly know you were a lesbian? Maybe he wasn't referring to your orientation because who tf would care about that? Congrats you eat kitty, good job me too. Why would you take that comment as a personal attack? He was making a joke, and you somehow took that as an attack on your identity? Bruh chill.
Sorry. But using sexuality as a “joke” is never right or funny! its shitty! Youre shitty if you use gay as an insult or as a joke. Its like joking about a person’s gender as an insult, or their religion, or any other number of things. So no. Im quite calm, But i will not sit here and allow for yall to use part of my identity, as an insult and a joke. The “it was just a joke” claim, only makes the person claiming such look like a jerk.
An identity that only you could possibly know unless you explicitly let it be known to others. If you're happiness and well being is based of off the actions and beliefs of others then you're setting yourself up for failure. Stop looking for validation about your identity from strangers on the internet. If these fools made fun of me for being a straight man or having an enormous penis, it wouldn't be any less true.
….I literally said why i did it…. it has nothing to do with validation? what on earth are you talking about?? I dont expect people to know that, of course that would be insane, but bringing it up when the concept of being gay is being used as an insult and a joke? as a means to defend myself and my community? Is a very Normal thing. If someone was shitting on straight people as a whole near a straight person, I would fully understand that straight person speaking up and asking for that kind of thing to not be done. Asking people to not do shitty things, is a good thing to do. Good people do not get told that the thing they are doing is shitty, and then defend it more, good people, take the words to heart, consider their implications and ramifications, and correct said behavior. In this case, there is no upside to using it as an insult or joke, and it Only, degrades others, there is no benefit, only Harm, i wholey admit that the harm is small, but allowing small things leads to worse Historically. So no, i will speak up, I will say something, I will not insult others for things they cant control. Defending it as “just a joke” when there is no downside to stopping the thing that someone is saying isnt great to do, and is a member of the community being treated as a joke, and you STILL chose to defend said action, I cant help but wonder what other things you forgive and are Okay with overlooking. Its a massive red flag. speaking up for whats right, is not seeking validation, its standing up for your beliefs and Ideals. I am an outspoken person. I Will say my thoughts. I will Not stand by. Being a bystander to things is passive acceptance. And I do not accept you or others using my identity, and the identity of many others, as a Joke, or as something to be made fun of. I ask you to not do so. Not doing so causes you no harm, it costs nothing. There is no justification.
If you weren't craving validation, you wouldn't care about strangers agreeing or disagreeing with your identity, which you admit you brought up as the op couldn't have possibly known. YOU made it personal. You also made the absolute claim that nothing good would come from that, but how about the people that find it funny? They would disagree. If everyone except you thought your identity was ridiculous that still wouldn't make it less true, so why cares about their opinions at all?
So cause someone enjoys shitting on my identity, its okay? Is that your reasoning???? Really?? So cause someone thinks its funny to be sexist or racist, would you say thats okay? its the exact same logic you just used. cause if so. Thats absolutely insane. Like legit Insane. Just say youre a bigot and move on. Omg. Youre actually just a horrible person for saying that. Enjoyment does not make a thing justifiable If harm is done. I fully think people should be free to do literally whatever they want, as long as it doesnt hurt someone else. Personally, I could give 2 fucks what you say when im not around, but if something is said within earshot of me, when i am consistently there, that insults my community, I Will Not Let It Slide, I dont care that you dont get to laugh at my identity, dont be a dickhead. Like i said, i wont insult someone for something out of their control, But you are choosing this, you are choosing ignorance. You are choosing Hate. You are choosing to insult others purely based on your own enjoyment. And your belittlement of the issue only betrays your own ignorance and bigotry. BooHoo! You Cant insult and laugh at other People like an asshole! Waaah Waaah! Grow Up and learn to be a Decent person
Again, he couldn't have possibly known he was attacking your identity as he didn't know you were gay. YOU took it that way by attributing intention.The short answer is yes, everyone can shit on whatever ideas they want. Just like everyone can disagree with whatever ideas they want. You seem to not be okay with people disagreeing with you. You conveniently make yourself the arbiter of what constitutes “harm” without giving everyone the ability to disagree with you. You're just a tyrant. If “harm” means hurting your feelings, then yeah idgaf about your feeling but i don't have to to be consistent with my position. You don't even truly believe that because I can just say I feel “harmed” by you disagreeing with me so you need to change your mind. You obviously won't, so just remember which one of us actually holds a logically consistent position.
you are just insane. There is no logic to your train of thought, you are trying to justify Discrimination, and the literal only reason i brought up being a lesbian, was not even cause i thought it was a comment directed at me, the entirety of treating “being gay” as a joke is shitty. It doesnt matter that im a lesbian, If i was straight, id argue this same fucking point. I mention it to showcase my viewpoint and perspective cause both me and others have mentioned to you MORE THAN ONCE! Context Matters! Perspective Matters! I presented my lived experience as a member of the community THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE INSULTING, and told you why it was wrong, how it only causes harm, and mentioned it how there is no cost to Not Insulting Others, and your Response basically was “Tough Shit, I can insult you all I want cause I Enjoy it, Fuck you” you are not a good person, you can claim to be “logically Superior” all you want. You are insane
I feel harmed by what you said so by your standard you should apologize. You won't because we both know you don't actually care about your standard, you just want power over everyone's beliefs. I'd also like to point out this was also an emotional response. As i said emotional people are emotional
Oh i stopped using logic the moment you said you were allowed to shit on people if you enjoy it, Theres no using logic with Bigots like you. You freely admitted your own ignorance. Why Should I engage with you logically when theres no logic to your stance. your Stance is based on your emotions, So i met you where youre at. If you think you should be able to discriminate against others if you enjoy it, whats the issue, you shouldnt care! By your own logic, you should just ignore it all right? And we Both know that you are just saying that, if you truly, honestly are able to explain how something was harm, then sure, id apologize, cause thats my stance. But you, already freely said, that you could just claim harm to try and counteract my stance, which means YOU are not acting in good faith, YOU are not being genuine, you are seeking to be manipulative, which is an emotional response
I don't think you know what discrimination means. I never said that was okay. That's not the same thing as people disagreeing with ideas or making fun of you. Even if it's on the grounds of race or gender. Discrimination requires a practice of denying equal rights, my position is literally the opposite. My point is EVERYONE and every idea is up for ridicule. That's like the exact opposite. Now this actually IS an example of a fallacy. It's a straw man actually.If harm = hurting feelings then yes it really hurts my feelings when people disagree with anything I believe. This is YOUR position btw not mine. I'm pointing out your logical inconsistency in your standard. You already know that my standard is that it's okay to make fun of everyone regardless of their feelings so I AM being good faith. See how it's consistent? I can do that because I remove my emotions from beliefs.
people disagree with me all the time in other comments and threads and in life, and i dont care. Youre trying to justify treating my community as a Joke. That Is The encouragement of Unequal treatment. That is the basis of Discrimination. Also, Nice. Telling someone who has dealt with active discrimination and hate crimes against her that she doesnt know what Discrimination! Wow! I guess Im just stupid and dont know anything. Darn, I should have just asked you! The guy who clearly knows everything and seems to Know my every thought and feeling! Wow! Its Incredible! In case its not obvious, Sarcasm, Youre an asshole who thinks they know something. But you dont. You just want to feel big. You want to be right. I can admit when Im wrong, I do it all the time. Ive literally done so, in other comments in other chapters, so youre just coping. You claim that you think any idea can be shit on but that is a dangerous idea itself, allowing Intolerance, encourages intolerance. Tolarence is not a Paradox, its a Social Contract, and once you are Intolerant, you have broken the terms of the contract and are no longer protected by it and therefore, the Intolerant, are Not Owed Tolerance. If youre okay with marginalized communities being shit on cause you think its okay for anything to be shit on, thats Still Intolerance, Historically, Tolerating the Intolerant leads to Intolerance growing to dangerous Levels.
Let's see if you actually can admit when you're wrong. I said everyone and every idea can be mocked, how is that unequal? That's literally the definition of equal treatment so please show me where I'm wrong and I'll apologize. You seem to be pretty intolerant about intolerance. That's fine though right because you're the arbiter of tolerance. You get to pick and choose what communities and ideas get to be made fun of and which ones don't right? Again, literally arbitrary which seems to be a pattern with you. So just admit that you want the power to decide what ideas are good and bad and no one can disagree with you. Like a tyrant. Then compare to my equal treatment of everyone being made fun of and tell me which is logically consistent. You can't and you won't just like you won't admit you're clearly wrong. You're too emotionally invested in your identity to be rational about it.
no, cause youre ignoring reality, In a perfect, Ideal World, Sure, yes, your thing is better, Ill admit freely, In a perfect, Ideal world, where sexism, racism, and discrimination and bigotry, Dont exist, the Yes, your view of being able to insult and talk about literally any idea Is better and totally great and fine. we dont live in a perfect world, We dont live in an ideal world without bigotry. If a group in the world is already marginalized, like the LGBT community, WHERE ITS ILLEGAL TO EXIST IN SEVERAL PARTS OF THE WORLD, Newflash! I Didnt decide that! The bigots of the world decide that my identity was part of a marginalized group. Not Me. I didn’t Chose to get Hate Crimed. I didn’t Chose to live in a world where being Me, put me at increased risk of murder. We Live in a Bigoted world, and you seem to have this idea that I want full and total control over what is and isnt bad, which I never said, I never implied it, I just defended My own Community Not being Shit on and other marginalized groups, not being shit on. I didnt even specify what other groups. So where on EARTH are you getting that I decided all this? That I Choose This. Was it the Generations of people killing my community before i was born? Was it gay men being left to Die in the AIDS crisis? Was it people like me being afraid to hold the hands of their partner in public for fear of being attacked. I didn’t Choose to have the World be intolerant of me. Stop acting like I did. We dont live in a perfect world. And any insult against a Marginalized group in an already bigoted World, only encourages that bigotry. Even if you personally are of the view that all things can be insulted equally, the real world doesnt care, and only sees the insult and the joke and who its directed against. Someone who IS bigoted will hear your joke, and assume that its a safe space for Bigoted views. Dont encourage it. Dont let it fester. That shit kills people. You self obsessed Arrogant Prick.
The moment you say not everyone can be made fun of you are saying not everyone should be treated equally. This means YOU get to decide who gets treated better or worse. You've claimed marginalized communities get treated better which means others don't. YOU decided that. You are the authority of who gets better treatment. PERIOD. That is tyrannical by definition. Again if you don't know why I use the words I do then look them up. It's literally tyrannical. Unfortunately for you, you're too smart to hold the positions you do and they've never been stress tested as they are being now. Your logical mind is in conflict with your emotional one as evidenced by the fact that you somewhat conceded my point by qualifying it in a “perfect world.” You can't fully accept that what I'm saying is consistently true because you emotionally don't want it to be true. Again, all my claims were descriptive not prescriptive with the exception of me telling you personally not to care about what others think of your identity. It is descriptively true that my standard is logically consistent while arbitrary choosing which groups can be shit on isn't. I'm not making any moral claims. I'm solely backing everything off of logic and reason. I haven't attacked your identity at all because I frankly don't care about it. I engage with you because I can see that you're actually smart and think things through in spite of your internal emotional struggle. I prescriptively think that if you are able to control your emotions better, it would make you a better thinker and in turn your comments would be better in the future. By pointing out your logical flaws, it forces you to reconcile your inconsistencies and strengthen your mind. You've attacked me personally several times while pearl clutching when someone unknowingly attacked your identity and community. That's a double standard of you maintain an equal and non -arbitrary standard. I don't hold that standard so I haven't really mentioned it or engaged, especially if it makes you feel better. I'm true to my beliefs while you struggle with yours
okay. keep justifying your hate. Asking not to be insulted is not asking to be treated better than others. I think literally no one should be insulted based on things they cant control personally, youre just super stuck on having the right to insult people for things they cant control for some reason. I can explain why you should care about the well being of others and the reality of the world, but i cant make you understand it. Im also not in conflict with my own views, if anything, this reassured me of them, cause alot your assumptions are just wrong and missing out on so much nuance. and yeah, after you kept insisting on having the right to insult my community and other marginalized groups, i was upset that you are choosing ignorance and to encourage something that is fucked up. Also when the fuck did I claim that Marginalized groups should be treated better. I literally said that insulting them in an already bigoted world further pushes bigotry and does lead to deaths in this worl. Which is a true statement. Marginalized groups are Treated Worse in the world, thats why theyre referred to as Marginalized, they are not treated better. Asking for some grace and not to be insulted is a tiny ask in a world that will kill you for being different in some small way. So you are Arrogant. You Are Self Obsessed. You focus only on yourself, and your own right to insult others, and seem to view being asked to not insult others, as losing some form of a right. Cause I want to Be VERY CLEAR, This Started, cause I asked that being gay not be treated as a joke, and an insult, which you and another person did do in passing. I asked, at the very start of ALLLLL of this, just that. That you respect a simple request, To Not Insult My Community. In response, you have insisted on that right, said that because it might be enjoyed by someone, its okay, despite agreeing that it can encourage bigotry in the world, and yes, you havent attacked my identity in this conversation personally, But you Dont Need to. Since you are the one who took this from a request to not use my community as the butt of a joke and as an insult, to insisting that im an Emotional tyrant who wants to control what everyones thinks and what is right and wrong, when I never said as such, and you constantly in this have said i did or implied things that I flat out didnt say or do. I will never insult someone for something they cant control, But you choose to do this, you Choose to defend something that really messed up, and I defended my stance back, And I know for a fact that nothing I say will change your mind, You are so convinced that youre right, you cant even see the potential harm of your own view.
I laid out exactly why it's emotionally tyrannical and you haven't contested it. My standard is equal treatment of all communities and ideas, yours is not. It IS true that this standard is logically consistent and fair definitionally. You say marginalized and people with immutable characteristics OUGHT not be made fun of. That's already unequal treatment AND a prescriptive claim. This is what you always do, you can never just make descriptive observations as I've called you out on several times. You're starting on a faulty foundation again. So i just have to ask, do you understand “is vs ought?” Because i don't think you do which means you literally can't make an argument. You need to bridge those two by making a value judgement first which you can only do if you accept the “is” statement or make one yourself. So you have to concede that my argument is or isn't true by making your own “is” statement. You kind of did already by adding the “perfect world” qualifier but that's not enough. So if my statement is true that my standard is equal and fair (which it literally is) then you have to say yes that's true but it shouldn't be equal or fair for whatever reasons. I don't think you can because you're too emotionally attached to this topic and don't really care about making rational points. I truly believe you don't care if you're right or wrong, you just want what you want without having to explain it or make sense.This affects every single argument you ever make so it's important to understand this.
Translation:Amelia: Are you gay? Why are you gay?Bjorn: no! I like women… a lot…Amelia: well, if you like them a lot… you can have… a lotBjorn: I can’t have a lot, there can only be oneAmelia: oh jeez… this is going to be a bloodbath (let me stay out of this)
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Well i doubt anyone on the world wouldnt know what triple k stands for… so I must asume the mc, and by extensión the author are racist pieces of s**t.
Is either that or the author has lost a bet, and is now trying to loose as many Readers as he can, ‘cause in between the boring, aimless and insubstancial plot fron the last 5-7 chapters, and this k kk crap i’m out…
Btw what really really fits the triple k mentality, is a bullet lodged in the brain, then double tap, it will fix that mentality properly.
Just wanna Say, for everyone Other than Chris, Sorry for the long text chain in the comments, Know its not really related to the novel, and I do apologize for that, Chris decided that he thought I was an Evil Emotion Tyrant for Defending my community not being insulted! Hope everyone has a great day, and Thank you as always Hen for translating,
I hate that Bjorn is still lying to his closest friends & allies.
Last chapter when he wasn't able to explain how a airplane works and he just told Raven that this kind of information was being Gate keeped. Or this chapter when he pretended to be royal and have high Values because he was shy or whatever.
Jesus Christ, this trope of an mc that is bad with women is tiresome. Like logically, I understand that the reason authors do this is because the liklihood of readers being even worse with women is higher than not. At least mc’s are attractive or capable and can attract women, so the only way to make them relatable to readers is by making them bad with women. I understand this but for the love of God is this annoying. Can a single main character just be normal with women? Like seriously a single freaking one? I don't demand a rizzler or anything, but how about at least a man capable of admitting he's attracted to women or that women can be attracted to him? This trope makes me hate losers even more.
Honestly Bjorn going full harem would be less gay than this wishy-washy stuff; and I say that as someone who hates harem animes/manga. The story is good enough to put up with it but by god is it getting annoying.
I DIDN'T READ ALL THE CHAPTER BUT AMELIA FOR THE WINN????
i wonder when ameila is talking about the bloody battle if shes putting herself in the equation
Bjorn calling himself the „Tripple K Barbarian“ fells so wrong because it makes him sound like hes a barbarian thats a Klan member